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Free Trade Copier

You can now copy all the VIP signals directly to your trading account.

Updated 4/13/2023

There are 3 ways to take profit in 2023, so the trades I get, are the trades you get. We win together.

  1. You can use TP1 only, this is how to get a higher win rate.
  2. You can use TP2 only, this is the default way of using the channel.
  3. You can use TP1 & TP2 with half risk on each.

Every trader is different, so how you like to use our signals, will be different from other traders. Find what works for you, and profit with us!

If you have any issues with the Copier I suggest moving to the MT4 version, as that’s the version that I use.

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Watch these videos to learn how the copy trader works.

Frequently Asked Questions (About Trade Copier)

Thanks to our VIP family member Mark R. 🏆 for writing the majority of the FAQ!

What is the Forex Robot Nation Trade Copier?

The Trade Copier is software that takes signals from the VIP member’s area and copies them to the member’s trading platform.

How does it work?

VIP members install two pieces of software on their Meta Trader 4 platform. First, they install a Telegram connector, currently named TelegramToMT4. Second, they install the Forex Robot Nation Copier v1_00 in the appropriate folder. Complete installation instructions are included with the software download.

Does this need to be left open?

Yes. Everything needs to be open!

MT4, The TelegramToMT4 & Telegram itself need to be open in order to receive trades. All of these programs can be minimized, and they will still work.

You need to be a VIP member in order to receive trades.

I entered the wrong Phone Number, what do I do?

Just double click on the account file in the same folder as the Telegram_Connector.

You can enter the correct phone number, like if you forgot to put a +1 or something.

What If I can’t leave my computer on?

There is no reason to turn off a computer in 2022. They are built to be left on.

But, if you want a separate server for your copy trader, or your robots, you can pay monthly for a VPS.

These are the two VPS companies I use:

Worldwide Clients:

United States Clients:

A VPS is just a computer on a high speed network. You can connect to your VPS from your phone or your computer at anytime to change settings, monitor results etc. The server stays on 24/7.

Installing files to a VPS is very easy, you simply login to your VPS, then you will see a desktop just like your own. You will be able to open the web browser on the VPS, go to websites, download robots, copy traders and install them normally.

When getting a VPS, you just need to make sure it’s Windows. Start on one of the lower plans, you can always upgrade later if you want to add more robots / copy traders on your server.

TelegramToMT4 Requirement

It is important to see a blinking cursor inside of TelegramToMT4, if you do not see this blinking cursor, it means that TelegramToMT4 is PAUSED. Simply, click your mouse inside of the TelegramToMT4 window and you should see blinking again.

This is no longer the case always (we have reports that it can work without a blinking cursor)

TelegramToMT4 Crashing

One VIP member said the program was crashing because he forgot to add +1 for the country code.

After he did this, it stopped crashing.

How to use only TP1 or only TP2?

If you want the copier to open a trade exclusively for TP1 or TP2, simply put -1 in the Lots TP1 or Lots TP2 above.

In the image below, since -1 is in the Lots TP2 section, the copier would only open a single trade for TP1 at 2%. It would not open a trade for TP2, because -1 is in the Lots TP2 section.

Using TP1 only, is a low risk way of using the VIP copier.

Why is Forex Robot Nation Copier showing a sad face or generally not working :(?

Your chart should look like this, with a happy face.

You need to allow autotrading / live trading.

Go to Tools > Options

Then click Expert Advisors tab and Allow Automated Trading

Or Right click on your chart, go to expert advisors > properties

Then go to the common tab and tick Allow live trading

This will resolve the sad face issue.

How many charts do I install this on?

You only need to install the Forex Robot Nation Copier on 1 chart.

You DO NOT need to install it on every chart.

What to do with pairs that look like USDJPYi or EURUSD.HKT?

In these cases you need to add a suffix. This is shown in the video above.

So next to suffix you would enter .HKT or i

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If you can’t enter your password into the telegram connector.

Just simply type and press enter.

The password is just hidden for privacy purposes.

If you struggle with doing it this way then put your password in a notepad, then copy it (Ctrl + C), and paste it (CTRL + V) into the connector that way.

I actually had to do this myself, and it works.

Does this work on MAC?

Yes, the MAC installation guide is now included in the ZIP download file.

This installation guide was graciously provided by our member Joey G 💪

Why was it written?

The number one issue our VIP members face is “missing the signal.” So, we wrote this software to “copy and paste” the signal to their trading platform for them. It does this while they are working, driving, eating, sleeping, spending time with family and friends or watching Trade with Pat videos 🙂

Who is this for?

VIP members only who are serious about trading.

What does it cost?

Currently, it’s included with the membership. You’re welcome.

How do I get it?

Join the VIP group and follow the setup instructions.

Why do I have to be a VIP to get the software?

The Trade Copier is ideal for those traders who are trading multiple signals a day. It does not make sense for inactive traders.

Who is responsible if I lose money?

You are. You have always been responsible for losses, poor risk management and any other risky behavior in the market.

Will I get rich with this?

No. Many of our members use these signals to grow their accounts. Some, quite successfully. Even with the fantastic results our members see in the VIP group, it will not make you rich. Trading is a disciplined skill and only the most elite traders are able to become unreasonably wealthy by trading. However, if you want to grow your account and “earn while you learn” then VIP membership and the Trade Copier could be ideal for you.  

How are Results Reported?

Currently, we report results based on the best conditions of a single position.

If a trade hits SL it is triggered at -1%.

If a trade hits TP1 it is reported at +1%.

If a trade hits TP2 only TP2 is reported, so 2-3%, whatever the TP2 is.

So, if a trade hits TP2 and the TP2 is 3%, we don’t claim the trade won +4%, the same way we don’t claim -2% if we hit a SL.

I do believe this is the best way of reporting because it is in line with how the majority of our clients use our signals.


1) Check blinking white cursor on script
2) Check if that specific message was parsed corrrectly and visible into the script window
3) Check on MT4/MT5 if that signal was handled correctly

Solve problems

1) you have accidentally paused the script
2) internet connection problems or copier possible problem due to bad message format
3) if signal not arrived to metatrader, copier is very probably not installed correctly

If all 3 steps are ok, no reasons for not seeing trades opened rather than broker related or misconfiguration problems (like opening 100 lots with $100, set acceptable lot sizes / risk %)

The Trading Strategies Used in VIP (Strategy 1)

The Trading Strategies Used in VIP (Strategy 2)

If there is anything else you would like to see in here, any questions, anything at all. I will make specific videos for each.

I look forward to growing your accounts!

Much love.


  1. Only have had it running on Friday and today thus far and after reviewing recent signals both signals sent out ended up triggering sell stops. Could that be why I’m not seeing any trades reflected yet?

  2. Hey Pat, Signed up last week. I installed copy trader as videos and written directions advise. I have a smiley face and all appears to be set up correctly after triple checking with set up instructions. But, I have not had any trades reflect in the demo account in which I have this installed. I see the signals coming out on telegram and it says I’m connected to telegram on copy trading software but nothing as of yet. do I need to do anything different since it is just a demo for now as I’m running tests?

  3. Got the bot working! I’ve been doing quite a bit of question asking and watched the set up videos about a million times. For those having the issues I was having (I work full time and only had to mess with it a few minutes a day). Double check the set up video and make sure the connector file (the whole file) is actually copied into the files folder on mt4/mt5 (this was my first mistake) and if you are using hanko trade it seems that the expert has to be attached to a .HKT chart. Thanks Pat for all you do and I’m super excited to join the VIP group!

  4. Hey Pat. As you said above only install on one chart on mt4, but the smiley face logo and name pf the ea only shows up on that chart i dragged it onto? Will this serve all charts?

  5. Unfortunately messages on Telegram are being blocked/ignored, and no response here to my requests as well. This is not really how to treat customers of your service.
    So, if you are not willing to respond on telegram and not here on your website (which is not a proper means of communication anyhow, since it is public), please provide an alternate means of being able to communicate with you.

    • HI Walter, we don’t have support via telegram which is likely why you aren’t getting a response. But we not only have a contact form on this website you’re on right now but we provide our email address too as soon as you go into the telegram bot. It states in the bot that that’s the email address you email for support.

  6. Just wanted to make sure of my correct suffix. My pairs have a “.i” So in the suffix parameter I put “.i” including the dot, correct?
    Thank you

  7. With the new TP1-TP2 structure, which is the setting to move the SL to BE when TP1 is hit? its not too clear in the PDF included with the copier.

    There’s :
    Use Trailing Stop TP
    Trailing TP Move TP3 trade SL to TP1 When TP2 hit (Lol confusing as hell?!?!)


  8. hey pat where is the section for the lot sizes for the trades ? ive installed it and have the happy face but just want to use the proper lot size ? Thanks

  9. For some reason the Copier EA doesn’t work anymore… it removes itself from the chart. It was working fine up to a couple of days ago ( I checked the logs) but I just realized the trades weren’t opening.

    Error is cannot set timer (1)

    Thanks for the help

  10. Hi Pat,

    I have just joined the VIP room and setup the MT5 Copier successfully. Excited to see how it pans out. I wanted to know do we have to specify the lot size or will it take automatically?

  11. Hi Patrick,

    Erlandas and james are all having the same problem as me, we all have signals being received from telegram, all settigns are correct smiley face but nothings being executed.


    • I’m sorry to hear that. The only fixes I know are here in the FAQ & Comments. Re-installing, selecting the right group to copy, windows update, trying different PC etc. These have all worked in the past. The disconnect is not with the software itself.

    • Are you using a vps? im starting to think that is my issue. I completely reset up an mt4 live account with hankotrade just to try and test it and still nothing.

  12. Is there a prefix/ suffix for mt5 demo accounts? I can’t get the can’t get the EA to actually place the trade even though the copier is giving the signal.

  13. Hi Patrick,

    having trouble with mt4, signals coming in and all is good there but it’s not executing the trades, says it’s “failed [trade is disabled]” i’ve gone through all the faq, all looks good but i must be doing somethign wrong.

    Using MT4.


  14. Why my comment has disappear?

  15. Hi, Do I need to add the EA to each trading pair/chart that I want the EA to run for, or can I just add it to one (e.g. just GBPUSD) and have it copy trades for all pairs that you post on the TWP VIP channel?

  16. Hi, I have a connection with telegram, cursor is blinking, receiving signals. But orders not opening. I think I did everything right, I have a smile on EA. All boxes checked. Any idea please?

  17. Is there a setting in your copy trader that allows us to modify the SL or TP just a little so prop firms don’t catch it as signals?

    Like Signal SL -/+ 1-3pips… Or Signal TP1 -/+ 1-3pips

  18. So i have a connection on the copy trader and signals coming in, plus a smiley face in the EA at the top right of MT4. I also have the suffix set to .a for pepperstone australia but the trades are not coming through. Any ideas?

  19. Hi, Can Use this to pass my prop firm challenge? Or what do you recommend?

  20. Hey Pat, me again. Since my last comment, I have left the old VIP room and now the connector is not showing any issues, so it may have been related to the bot receiving two overlapping signals at once. However, it is now not placing any trades in MT4 for the last couple of days even after receiving the signals through Telegram. I have updated to the latest version of Windows and have re-installed Telegram, MT4, the Connector and the EA itself, and have triple checked the installation guide to make sure everything is correct, which I am absolutely certain it is. For reference, my TP settings are at 1.0 and -1.0. Any help would be appreciated, as the Connector and EA are the main reasons I purchased the VIP signals due to my timezone.

  21. Does this work for MT5?

  22. Hey brother,

    You need to properly tell the folks when setting up the EA to chose “TWP VIP” for the channel to copy setting… it is not mentionned anywhere.

    Hopefully this helps folks who were stuck not getting any signals with the latest update.

  23. Hello,
    Can someone please help me. I set up everything correctly but the copier never open trades.
    i have telegram and telegram connecter also open. plus i make sure i have martketwatch also open but i am not sure why is not copying the trade. please advise how to solve this problem?

  24. Hii Patrick I am new to your vip your signals are working very well but I want to risk 2% on every trade. Can’t I it set on copy trader?

  25. It would be nice if you made an open chat on telegram for VIP members to talk amongst themselves. (I dont see that one exists)

  26. Hi Pat
    I downloaded the new copier
    but it dosen’t open any position
    on teh program for telegram it receives it but not the MT

  27. Hey Pat, I’ve got the latest version of all the files for the copy trader, but I’m getting error messages from the telegram connector about “unhandled exception” and “index error”, and was just wondering if that was a problem. I’ve also been receiving trades from both the Old and New Room, and was wondering if that would mean I’d be placing two trades at once rather than just the one and so if I should leave the old room on Telegram. Thanks for all the work you and the team do constantly for us.

  28. Hi. Which Timeframe do we need on the chart with the Copier? Regards

  29. Hey, I got the subscription but I joined the telegram group and their are no signals??

    • Hi Emile, you joined the room 2 hours ago. Signals are sent in London / NY session (morning). You joined the new room as well, so it’s not populated with old signals, but signals are coming, don’t worry.

  30. I paid to be in the V.I.P. room and downloaded the free copy trader last week. I installed it, I see the happy face on the EUR/USD H1 chart, but I haven’t seen any trades placed. I also copied all the settings, nothing. I have a FTMO account I installed the copy trader on. Please help! Thank you!!!

  31. Just as a heads up… Your ForexRobotNationBOT telegram channel is being flagged as “fraud”. It is obviously some mistake, but I just want to give a heads up, so we will not face an issue with the VIP channel and of course any missing info in your free channel.

  32. Michael A Hairston

    I found all the information I was looking for out of all places in your video Free Forex Copy Trader 🙂 my apologies Pat and I know some of us are annoying as fck

  33. This bot is only for MT4 platform??

  34. Can i know why you are regect my comment

    I Asked last 2 days there are no any signals on VIP channels

    • Nobody rejected any comment, have a little patience not only with the signals but also with comment moderation. Look in the VIP room, scroll up to see all signals and analysis. The analysis will show you exactly why a signal has or hasn’t been provided. This is all available to you as a VIP member.

  35. Dear i am new in your VIP group
    its 2 days ago whithout any signals sent to VIP group

  36. Thanks for the previuos answer. Just one more questsion / observation: Based on my observation, the risk calculation with your copy EA sets the position size based on the current prize when the pending order was placed, but not the price of the entry price itself.
    For example: When the pending order is placed/transmitted, the price is at 1.35187 and SL is at 1.35366. Entry price however is 1.35241. So the risk calculation for e.g. 2% is based on the current price 1.35187 and not 1.35241. This results in an incorrect risk percentage of 1,36% instead of 2%, when the trade is executed at Entry Price.
    Is there some way to fix this?

    • Hi Walter, this is not the case. When I get a copier trade, it is exactly as shown in the room. I show results on these trades in my instagram constantly, showing they are exactly as reported.

  37. Hi Patrick, I already have an account on FPMarkets, could I set the auto copier anyway or should I open Hankotrade account?
    Thanks in advance 🙂

  38. One question regarding the copy Software. Does telegram have to be installed and running in the PC, where the Mt and copy Software are running?

  39. market is still open, everything installed….but this tiny cursor is not blinking…..grrrrrrr

  40. By mistake I made double payment! what should I DO now

    • This would give you 60 days of access. You can always email me.

    • Telegram after some reason band my phone number and I still have an open subscription with you for VIP. This means I can’t get your signals. I’m thinking to buy a new SIM card for my dual SIM phone and use out on telegram how do I get my VIP subscription attached to the new number and not the old phone number That is useless for telegram now?

  41. Hi. I just connected everything correctly. I am using a demo account from hankotrade and using mt4. When I received a signal it shows an error message “server replied with a wrong session ID”. Thanks for your help

  42. Hey Pat,
    Thanks for everything you and team are doing. I’ve sent a couple messages and none have been replied to. Looking to step up to Fury, but have a couple questions. Is this the best place?

  43. Hi, I have gone through all the steps several times, and everything should work. Telegram is connected, Trade Copier is set up, but still not recieving signals on MT5. Anything I can try?

  44. For the last two days, seeing a number of errors in the Telegram Window on receiving a trade (no changes, all working fine last week) so it no longer auto trades. MT5 and v1.01-3

    “Error:telethon.client.updates:Unhandled exception on my_event_handler” is the 1st line.

  45. Hi, I just got a signal in the Telegram connector (buy stop order) but I don’t see trade in my MT5 account. Any idea what can be wrong?

  46. Hi, I can see trades going to my telegram signal reader but not being executed on my MT4, any ideas why this is? I tried reinstalling, went over inputs and still can not figure it out.

  47. Hi, I see the trade signal in trade connector as a limit order but in MT4 didnt go through. Is it possible if I had trade opened for opposite direction it wont trigger the trade? Second question is the copier working even for demo account? Thanks

  48. GM, I am successfully using the trade copier on a Hanko Trade MT4 terminal (which access a small account). After a month of copying trades, I am very satisfied with the service and would like to begin copying trades on a larger account at Oanda.

    I have both MT4 accounts on the same PC, I have telegram running and I have FRN Trade copier running on both Hanko Trade and Oanda MT4 Terminals and charts for both brokerages show a happy face.

    When a trade signal comes through, copy trade picks it up and places the trade in the Hanko account but not in the Oanda Account.

    Here is my question: Is what I am trying to do permissible? If so, can you thing of any reason why the Oanda MT4 Terminal is not placing the trade? Hanko trade has been great but I would prefer not to put all of my money in with a single broker.

    Appreciate any assistance that you can provide.

  49. I have a problem with the lot sizing on the FRN copier EA. I have it set at a fixed 5%, TP1 and no TP2 yet sometimes it opens lot sizes of 3 lots other times like today on CHFJPY 0.69 lots. Can you explain this?
    How is the lot size in calculated cos it just seems random to me. I thought the idea was you risk 5% of your account if the trade hit SL?

    Much love

  50. Hey there this is so awqsome but I do have MT5 I cant be awake when u send the signals, Im VIP member telegram, but I do have MT5 so wondering when will available?? thankss

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